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But rather than seeing Original Sin as something merely tacked on to human nature, the Church came to understand it as a lack. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. I find that he referred often to the word of God, comparing it to “traditions of men”- those held by the leaders of the mainstream religion of his day. Isaiah 7:14 “Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel”   No one wants to be caught unaware or just talking the talk and not walking the walk, growing weak and lazy toward the worship and practice of Christ’s truth, way and life when He comes again in Glory. These other beliefs support the belief in the core truth. Just as many of us find similarities to the cult of Mary (The late Pope John’s phrase) in ancient ‘virgin goddess’ legends. Jesus is the only divine person (2 natures: divine and human).   The words “spurious, legend, story, apocryphal” are used often. It was always believed, but without a direct challenge to its orthodoxy, the Churched lacked some of the necessary clarity to explain how it fit into the deposit of faith. He has Become God and all treasure is dispensed through and by him…Ephesians..1;22 23 Christ is the Head of the Church (KOG) which is Gods Body. : The removal of sanctifying grace also brings with it other effects on human nature such as concupiscence. For those who have been exposed to God’s revelation such that they know he has revealed the existence of angels, their salvation does hinge on their believing in angels–not because the doctrine of angels is high up in the hierarchy of truths, and not because it is a truth directly connected with salvation, but because it is a truth God has revealed. The name that God gives is the essence of the person (like Peter being the rock upon which the Church was founded) and so Mary is truly the one who is full of grace. @noprem  mblouin. When Pius IX defined the dogma of the Immaculate Conception, he was merely declaring something that the Church has believed from the beginning. Mary the Ark of the New Covenant is even more immaculate and undefiled, spared by God from original sin so that she could bear His eternal Word in her womb. And you’ll recall that man’s rulers have given the words “motherland” and “fatherland” a very bad connotation. Belief in Mary’s Immaculate Conception was developed and nurtured in devotion and prayer for centuries, and was officially recognized by the Catholic Church when Pope Piux IX declared it “infallible doctrine” in 1854. Frank Schuster My friends, what do we mean by the Immaculate Conception of Mary? The following scriptures provide a look at Mary’s role in salvation: You think Catholics way-overemphasize tradition. The Mormon “burning in the bosom” approach?   Mary is not the offspring of Adam – but the conceived  sinless child of God through Ann. First of all, let’s deal with a common misunderstanding: The Immaculate Conception does not refer to the conception of Christ by the Virgin Mary. Now maybe someone will say that I am distorting the scriptures above. The Immaculate Conception is important to Catholics because of Mariology, the extreme veneration of Mary. There is a popular idea that the day refers to the conception of Jesus by the Virgin Mary. There is a difference between a wife and a virgin. * The Immaculate Conception means that Mary is the singular exception to this law. @Max43 There was a physical ark at one time. Actually Immaculate Conception is less important than Advent Sunday and that is the reason it is transferred to the next day. Mary was preserved from these defects by God’s grace; from the first instant of her existence she was in the … Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. When you insist that Mary was ‘touched’ by HS because it was ‘in her’? There is a clear parallel between the Ark of the Old and the Ark of the New Covenant. I’m just saying that there is more rational support for and consistency within the Catholic faith. Christ left visible authority. The celebration of the Immaculate Conception began in the 7 th century under the title, “Conception of Mary by Saint Anne” and was changed to “Immaculate Conception” with the definition of the doctrine in 1854. If not stated, it’s nonsensical to say they’re consistent with scripture. It admonishes us to keep our spiritual ears open continually for the convicting and guiding  voice of the Holy Spirit. For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him. Her son already had “beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” (Lu 10) It is Michael who battles with Satan and evicts him from Heaven. A sinless Mary is contrary to God’s stated saving purpose in sending Jesus to die. That,in turn, is indeed a matter of life and death, and a creator God owes us something that can be understood by ordinary humans. Now those who say so wish to preserve the honor of Mary in virginity to the end, so that body of hers which was appointed to minister to the Word . Blessings, Please note carefully the order of events in your Bible. He has published articles in a number of Catholic publications including The Homiletic and Pastoral Review, The New Oxford Review, the National Catholic Bioethics Center’s Ethics and Medics, and First Things’ On the Square. The scriptures are all unified and point to a central figure in Christ. Romans 5:14 ” Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.” For instance, do you find any significant difference in wording in various Catholic-approved Bibles; ? Of course. Our purpose is to build the body of God with Christ as the head; by our works we become as the arms, legs,torso, etc.. of God. Rob supports his apostolate by working as a Statistician and teaches bioethics throughout the Diocese of Raleigh. . In other words, it was always a part of the deposit of faith—that which the Apostles left us—but how it connected to the other truths of the faith still needed to be worked out. 2 Tim 3:16,17, Douay: “All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice:  That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work” 2:7), and now it is finally seen in heaven. Written about 150 A.D.” In the beginning,  Joachim is fasting in the wilderness and Anne is mourning in her garden, both of them lamenting their childlessness. A follow up or clarification might be how does Mary’s Immaculate Conception point to Christ’s redeeming act on the cross? Galatians? Just obedience. If Mary was born in original sin, we would be ‘reborn’ in original sin (again!). Luke 1:56 / 2 Sam. here. If not, what does “my God” mean?”  =mblouin= The Kingdom of GOD(KOG) is Faith based. Flickr/Dennis Jarvis-California-06300 - Inside Old Saint Mary's. At first glance however, the feast that we celebrate today, the Immaculate Conception, appears to be an exception to this rule. Which is why Jesus came to earth, he said. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born. Mary's Immaculate Conception is a special gift from God preserving her from original sin and concupiscence - the inclination to sin. The Deposit of Faith is truly a seamless garment—tug at any string, no matter how seemingly inconsequential it is, and it falls apart. And yet, we try to become that masterpiece by faulty means and quick fixes.   Yes, it is true that if Adam had not sinned all would still be alive in the Garden. I had to delay the mailing a few days while I’m waiting on eye surgery. I trust and use mine because the stand up to scriptural testing, and their fruitage is Christian and Godly, not from “the traditions of men.”   all his hardships; This shows us that the Ark is undefiled. That means ‘no sex’, which the news reminds us is not the case with many priests, then or now. God’s entire will for the world and us is stated in His prayer. One of the many complexities in the “sinlessness” of Mary has to do with her physical origin. Acting neither with reticence nor in cold calculation, his love represents the pure pleasure of giving. (Not “my God”, for instance?) A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman* clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.a 2She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth. Nearly all the philosophical anthropology of man in the 18th and 19th C rejected the idea of Original Sin—it was society that somehow corrupted man, not something that is a result of his fallen state. What do you think? ASV, “I am Jehovah thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Much every way. Luke 1: 39-45 Mary, too, points to Christ. Is the Jesus speaking here the same one the RCC considers to be Almighty God? But in the fallout from the Council there has been a movement to de-dogmatize the Immaculate Conception in an attempt to be more “ecumenical.” The argument goes that belief about the Immaculate Conception is not necessary for salvation so therefore it is relatively unimportant.is based on a false understanding of the idea of hierarchy of truths.   Revelation 11 & 12: John begins speaking about the ark – was that a reference to the ark of the old covenant (lost for hundreds of years) in Heaven, or the Ark of the New Covenant (Mary who gave birth to Christ’s Humanity)? 15 and 16 – these verses show the awesome reverence the Jews had for the Ark – veneration, vestments, songs, harps, lyres, cymbals, trumpets. Anne and Joachim share a tremendous embrace indicating their great confidence in God that a child will be born, and Anne does conceive. .. Here are 8 …   Take for instance that turtle eggs are protected by law, but unborn children are not. And this I say for your own profit, not that I may put a leash on you, but for what is proper, and that you may serve the Lord without distraction.” May God be with you and I look forward to further comments. Mary is third in the list of those born to barren parents by the grace of God. But she who is married cares about the things of the world—how she may please her husband. And Paul was referring to the Hebrew scriptures, commonly called the OT. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness — but not only Scripture. And the priest said to Joseph, ‘You have been chosen by lot to take into your keeping the Virgin of the Lord.’ But Joseph refused, saying, ‘I have children, and I am an old man, and she is a young girl’” (ibid., 8–9). The reason why has to do with the reader’s section question . The reason that we are obliged to believe in the existence of angels but not aliens is that God has revealed the existence of the former to us but not the latter. Blessings, @mblouin “a line of sinless and divinely conceived children of God” The Immaculate Conception Is About MaryA reader writes: Can you point me in the direction of why the Immaculate Conception is important in regards to salvation? Cutting to the chase: Let’s see what a study of a simpler text tells us. The proof from Scripture that Mary was conceived without sin is that, had she not been, she would have died on contact with the Holy Spirit, the uncreated life-giving power of God. Your version of ‘why immaculate conception’ (there are many) disproven. Genesis 3:6 “The woman saw that the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eyes, and the tree was desirable for gaining wisdom. To explain this, Blessed Duns Scotus developed the idea of her redemption being preventative rather than restorative. And it distracts Catholics from doing the will of God according to Jesus: Mt 24:14. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.” Catholic teaching, but not scriptural teaching. Keep the faith and carry on. Adam and Eve sinned: The study is coming along nicely. What I posted stands, as far as I can see from your response. As to “I do not have scriptures that explicitly reveal the Assumption or Immaculate Conception of Mary”, why on earth not? … There are more if you’re interested. al in the late 19th century. This teaching is important because it teaches several things: The utter need we have for God’s grace. As a result, there’s still time to sign up! There are also many points that opposition to the Catholic Church supports in regard to Mary. That is why Chris is our brother.   Doug. “…inspired of God,” – absolutely, always taught by RCC Rather, the term Immac… This happens to be a popular misconception by many people. He also has revealed that this is the case, and so divine faith entails Catholic faith. (2 Thess 2:15)  I think it’s a little presumptuous to say that St. Paul taught you something when (hopefully some day) he will probably tell you that you misunderstood.   It doesn’t make sense to argue about things such as the Assumption or Immaculate Conception if we don’t begin from a common starting point. (Acts 4:13 ibid:  “Now seeing the constancy of Peter and of John, understanding that they were illiterate and ignorant men, they wondered: and they knew them that they had been with Jesus.”) Zechariah! Symbolic? Assuming all goes well with the eye surgery (prayers appreciated! It is quite symbolic and not *really*. ” As the high priest had on his breastplate the names of the twelve tribes engraved, and these constituted the city or Church of God; Christ here promises that in place of them the twelve apostles, representing the Christian Church, shall be written, which is called the New Jerusalem, and which God has adopted in place of the twelve Jewish tribes. When Jesus sacrificed himself- perfect man for perfect man- he negated Adam’s sin, which poisoned all of us. @mblouin (Anyone care to expound on the theological difference between ‘homoousios’ and ‘homoioúsios’? One additional verse that demonstrates Mary’s role is 132:8 “Arise, O Lord, into your resting place: you and the ark which you have sanctified.” FYI “noprem” is a username I adopted long ago to control spam. 12.8.15 All Saints Parish - Sunday Homilies. 23j. “He (God) chose the mother he had created and he created the mother he had chosen” (Sermon 69, 3.4). There are more if you’re interested. And like the Mormons who believe in a great apostacy, Protestantism believes there was a great falling away after Christianity became legal, even though Jesus said the gates of the netherworld would not prevail against his Church (Matt 16:18) and that he would be with us always (Matt 28:20) and that the Spirit of truth would guide them to all truth and declare to them the things that are coming (John 16:13). – God created the idea of a family as composed of a father, a mother, and (usually) children. First of all, the Immaculate Conception refers to Mary's conceptionand secondly, it isn'treferring to the act of sexat all. Prayer of Saint Francis of Assisi Lord, make me an instrument of your peace.Where there is hatred, let me sow love;where there is injury,pardon;where there is doubt, faith;where there is despair, hope;where there is darkness, light;and where there is sadness, joy.O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console;to be understood as to understand;to be loved as to love.For it is in giving that we receive;it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life. My point there is that Bishops gathered to make determinations about what books were inspired (you can thank God for that). Mary never was my mother nor was she ‘mother of the Church’. Luke 1:6 ” Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lord’s commands and decrees blamelessly. I gather that the first question may be based on a common Protestant objection to the Immaculate Conception. You could benefit from a study of the Bible from scratch. Like a husband and wife who become one in … In general, the connection for such lengthy scripture is that we see: Taken from “Scripture Catholic” Ding! We are obliged to accept whatever God has revealed. Looking at the reformation causes great concern when I look at the continued discord that has since derived. On what basis is the Gospel of Thomas or other writings that were circulating excluded? If God has created other rational physical beings in the universe, it might be of some use to know about them, but that knowledge isn’t essential to our salvation. The unmarried woman cares about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. As with the ark, we would again have a situation where the old testament sign is greater than the new testament fulfillment. There are some things that are indeed pretty simple and straight-forward to understand that no one could possibly ever argue about (sarcasm), such as Jesus’ blunt words in John 6:53:  “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. A very important pillar of Catholic teaching is celebrated on the Feast of the Immaculate Conception on December 8. All these may offered as reasons why God–and the Church–deemed it important for us to know about the Immaculate Conception. How’s that Bible study coming? As the 19th Century emerged, many in the Church called for a dogmatic definition of the privilege of the Immaculate Conception. Maybe I can glean something new from that….? Recently to RCC had its annual celebration of the Assumption of Mary into Heaven, which occasion generated this OP. Totally agree with you on this one. * Her child was caught up to God and his throne.d 6The woman herself fled into the desert where she had a place prepared by God, that there she might be taken care of for twelve hundred and sixty days. In Heaven, or somewhere else? 17Then the dragon became angry with the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring, those who keep God’s commandments and bear witness to Jesus. a dwelling for the Mighty One of Jacob.”   And, per Paul, not in the hands of Roman or any other kind of Catholic: “What advantage then has the Jew: or what is the profit of circumcision? Ring. The premise of your argument seems to be that if it’s important enough for our salvation then it must be explicitly spelled out in scripture.   There were flashes of lightning, rumblings, and peals of thunder, an earthquake, and a violent hailstorm.” Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth.c 5She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. From the other posts here one would have no idea that Paul thought anything of his or other letters; just “traditions”, which are never mentioned. From one book. All AFTER Jesus left the earth. “Why should it be more difficult for me and others to understand the homely parables of Jesus, explained by him to those who were willing to listen…” noprem,   . In future, cite or quote a scripture or two, show its application to the OP, and take a cool-off period. “Behold, your mother.” John 19). That is definitely a problem for me because the God I know is NOT neutral in that His love and will for us is anything by neutral. Every one that is of the truth hears my voice.   “All scripture, every good work, perfect” [in this case its basic meaning of complete], and so I have found it to be. The dogma that Mary was preserved from the moment of her conception from the effects of Original Sin is one of the most important, yet misunderstood Catholic teachings. What happens if her flesh is fallen? The Immaculate Conception is not about the conception of Jesus in Mary’s womb. . The ark contained symbols of the old covenant — manna, the staff of Aaron, and the tablets of the law;  In Mary’s womb was Christ — the Bread of Life, the new law, and the one priest. Our Mother wants to come to us and lead us to Jesus. I will always chose the bible and the RRC.   “For this was I born, and for this came I into the world; that I should give testimony to the truth. 23e. There are even fewer “implications” for the Assumption than the for Trinity. Rev 11:19, 12:1-17 Amen. You saw the “earlier post” but didn’t pay attention to it.   Scripture says that Mary is “full of grace.” By virtue of this grace, she … He could send his Son into the world without an immaculate mother if he chose. do you have scriptures I have missed stating the time [era] and manner of Mary’s ‘leaving’? You did say…. Likewise, we catch a glimpse of the Immaculate Conception during the Annunciation. @EJohnE”bible never says that the bible is the sole authority” And, as history, it goes downhill from there. Later exegetes were Paul, Peter, James, Jude, and the Gospel writers. John 19:26,27, ibid: ” When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and [John], he says to his mother: Woman, behold your son. This is really no different than claiming the authority for yourself. 11:19 and Rev. Historically the RCC could never keep the promise that was made to be “celibate”. 1 Corinthians 15:21 “For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.” Take away what we believe about Mary and our faith in Jesus begins to crumble. Their offspring- including Mary and Joseph- are born into sin, and subject to death. @dmohrCatholic  @noprem ), I should be sending out the special mailing with Pope Benedict’s summer reading recommendations later this week. After that, he says to the disciple: Behold your mother. And over time, once the most important issues were taken care of, the Church has deemed it appropriate to define truths that are lower in the hierarchy. I would like also to note that Catholics DO NOT Worship Mary, we ask for her intercession with her Son Jesus Christ. Blessed Duns Scotus is saying two very important things here. The Immaculate Conception means that Mary, whose conception was brought about the normal way, was conceived without original sin or its stain—that’s what “immaculate” means: without stain. “Even more immaculate and undefiled” makes no sense. The explanation I can relate to most is this (and I came up with this myself, so caveat emptor — it has no imprimatur) ” [Mary is] the conceived  sinless child of God through Ann” Again, that’s Catholic doctrine, not scripture. All who came after those- whether Aquinas, Luther, Chas. The Immaculate Conception means that Mary is the singular exception to this law.   You haven’t even supplied an objective basis for determining which scripture is inspired and which is not. The bible as we know it, 73 or 66 books, did not officially exist until approximately the year 400. At Rev 3:12 Jesus says, according to my NWT, “The one that conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out [from it] anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine.” Francis:   @noprem  @dmohrCatholic  St Augustine praised this marvelous woman in these words: 1 Cor 9:4,5) at the Table altar… No longer a harvester he has now upon ressurection become THE Distributor of wealth or Spirit. Instead, God intends for us to become that masterpiece in light of the Immaculate Conception, in light of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”, Clarification:Above,  I wrote “His beliefs, like yours, were a ‘disagreement’ with God’s word, not mine.” I meant, of course, Wycliffe’s unscriptural belief about ‘calling on the Holy Virgin’. Would you like to play or pass?” The only problem is that this is not the correct answer! The honor of “who should overcome” would be as great as if the name of that God whom he served were inscribed on him in some visible manner. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are tocall him John. When I read this I see in the first part some seduce spirits and doctrines of devils. The scriptures never tell us which scriptures are inspired; some of them hadn’t even been written at the time Paul wrote this. @dmohrCatholic  @noprem  @mblouin  – When children are born, they get the nature of their parents. The second is to keep them from falling in beforehand. But we don’t see paradise restored. is a principle of organic structure.’ It should not be confused with the degrees of certainty; it simply means that the different truths of faith are ‘organized’ around a center.” In other words, the idea of a hierarchy of truths is that there are certain beliefs around which all other beliefs orbit. Direct or indirect contact with the Spirit of God, and even proximity, was lethal to sinners before the death of Christ. Luke 1:39-45 also parallels 2 Samuel 6 in many ways.     When the dragon saw that it had been thrown down to the earth, it pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.f 14But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle,* so that she could fly to her place in the desert, where, far from the serpent, she was taken care of for a year, two years, and a half-year.g 15The serpent,* however, spewed a torrent of water out of his mouth after the woman to sweep her away with the current. Paul says that it’s fine to have a wife or husband, but just live as though you have neither; (v29) weep as though you are not, rejoice as though do not; and buy as though you possessed nothing (v30) and use this world, but don’t abuse it.   Genesis 21:1-3: “And the Lord visited Sarah as he had said, and the Lord did unto Sarah as he had spoken. God, for reasons known to him, deemed it useful for us to know about the existence of angels, and so he revealed that truth. blessings.   He creates Adam and Eve and offers them everlasting life in paradise, if they obey. And it all began in her Immaculate Conception. The fate of Uzzah demonstrates that contact with any of the sacred objects of the Tabernacle entailed indirect contact with the uncreated power of God. But before it was to be defined, it needed to be better understood. Revelation 22:4     How strange it would be for the ark of the old testament, which only contained symbols of God’s presence, to be without stain but the mother of the one true God Jesus Christ to be somewhat less than the ark and be stained with sin. By analogy, if my doctor says that all the exercises on a certain list are profitable for my fitness and emotional well-being so that I can be perfectly healthy, then does that mean I no longer need to eat or sleep — or even listen to the doctor who gave me the list? “All Scripture…” – at this time would not include the New Testament He redeemed her in an even more spectacular way that he does us, for he preserved her from falling into sin rather than pulling her out of it after she had fallen into it. Ex 25: Mary was the bearer of Jesus in her womb. He also says that a perfect deliverer would have done both. Mary thus shows us what we an be–and will become–as a result of Christ’s death on the Cross, if we only persevere in the Christian life.   And John the Baptist was conceived divinely by God through Elisabeth, Zacharias’s wife and Mary’s cousin. Who here will admit the necessity of teaching and doing Mt 24:14, from Jesus himself? To which I responded: It thus came to be synonymous with the church – the dwelling-place of God on earth. I could go on, but it seems that we may have to agree to disagree on the matter. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. Has Divine Tradition the same force as the Bible? 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